I checked out Alliant's website-no data for flat point with the powders I have, but data for Gold Dot HPs for Bullseye and Unique. My other son fired one shot and handed it back. Clear editor. And Vihtavouris N320 and N321 fall in this range for burning times. Red Dot work fine for most 38 Special loads. Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue. IMR 3031 and IMR 4895 are products of IMR (formerly DuPont) Powder Company. 10. Jack it up a notch and go with .327 Federal Magnum. I meant to say NRA. Give me a .38 Special Recipe Please | Ruger Forum That isnt unique to Bullseye, but is certainly more pronounced with the relatively small charges required. 2, No. For example, a Glock 17 shot the HAP into 1.35 inches and the FMJ into 2.2 inches at 25 yards. Currently using Titegroup, but started out with, and loaded many thousands of rounds, with Bullseye. The more serious concern for some loaders is that the small charges of fast-burning powder take up little room in the case, making it possible to double charge a cartridge and exceed safe pressure. It was introduced in 1902 by Smith & Wesson, and has since become a worldwide cartridge. When I finally nabbed my own canisters of Bullseye, the first load I spun up was 2.7 grains under Hornadys hollow-base wadcutters. Similar to a 9mm 124 gr RN Cast Bullet. This load is in the general velocity bracket with most generic or bulk box 115-grain loads and zings over my chronograph at 1,125 to 1,140 fps from a Glock 17, depending on bullet style. Required fields are marked *. I here from quite a few that 3.5 gr of bullseye is a good load for 158 gr lead Bullets for bullseye shooting. I would say I completely disagree with you on ever even contemplating using a revolver for self defense unless you are a person that has never owned a gun and not likely ever to practice with it. Now theres an old memory. .38 Special Chronograph Test | Perfect Union All the data says this should be an OK load , even "mid-range" for non +p. The fast powders, W231, HP38, Bullseye would go over pressure very quickly with any slight changes, in seating depth or primer change. Berry says load plated bullets to mid-range jacketed bullets of same profile and weight or equal to hard cast. 2 and No. A bullet with a copper gas check or copper plating is best for INDOOR ranges to keep lead vapors out of the air. Yes I do have a few of the older high quality classic revolvers not the current made Cast Iron garbage that is being vomited out today. I get 1000 fps with this load. Anyone know where I can download a chart where all the powders burning rates (regardless of manufacturer) is listed. Interesting. When using a 158 gr. 38 Special Loads - Bullseye Forum Im not recommending that you carry the Bullseye load, but dont feel as if you are going to tactical purgatory for enjoying this load, either. Im a big fan of .32 revolvers, I do think they are a superior choice for carrying and shooting than .38 is, but that doesnt mean I think .38 or .357 sucks, I just dont think theyre the best choices for a small frame revolver. Loading 38 special for best accuracy - Revolver Forum - Brian Enos's TITEGROUP AND 125GR 38 SPECIAL LOAD DATA Ammunition-Gunsmithing Reloading Forum Register Notices Consider Becoming A Supporting Member Click HERE For The Benefits Reloading All Reloading Topics Go Here Thread Tools Display Modes # 1 01-24-2016, 05:38 AM RONALD HENSLEY Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Waynesville NC Posts: 114 Likes: 12 of Bullseye, 148 gr lead DEWC and Federal 100 primers. Classic loads are economical. 4.0 gr. 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special - Forums Load it in 38 Special dies. It would have been too hot. Ask your Dealer, or call Hodgdon), has a Cowboy Load section, (near the center fold), that lists data for about all SASS calibers. The 38 Special, practically snubnose 38 Specials, seem to do their best work with bullets right around the 155-160 grain range. RN, 158 gr. For me, the 32 H&R Mag is my 357 Mag, and the 32 S&W Long is my 38 SPL. (bullseyeforum.net). Recoil is the good kind that reminds the shooter handguns are serious tools but without eliciting a flinch. DISTINGUISHED LOADS SUCK - Distinguished Revolver loads that don't suck? The 9mm produces about 35,000 psi, Rated 5.00 out of 5 based on 9 customer ratings. DR loads (158gr Remington swaged LSWC over 3.6gr AA#2 in Winchester .38 Special cases) I shoot American eagle, remington factory,remington umc, and mag tech. WST is a good powder for a very specialized load. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Hodgdon - 700-X: 125 gr. You can always back off to the .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Mag if you choose to. JHP, 158 gr. Thx so it seems like for the long line I need to get some sagged bullets. I have experimented with both of Hornadys 200-grain semiwadcutters in this load: the more button-nosed SWC and the longer Combat/Target (C/T) version. I bought a Ruger Alaskan in 454 Casull last year ahead of a hunt up in Wyoming. Load manuals often advise against downloading .38 Special jacketed loads to prevent squibs, especially the 110 and 125 grain bullets. butt 686 shipped w/ Hogue monogrips, discarded immediately due to pronounced finger grooves. Midwest Supply Group. CORBON 38SPL+P 125GR JHP 20/500 Thanks to all for the info. But for plinking, they'd be fine. . No sh!t. want me to write up an article about 3d printed .38 special bullets that Ive been working? .38 brass isnt as common as 9, .40, or .45 brass at the range, but of all the revolver brass you can find its the most plentiful. Your experience is definitely motivation for me to give my J-frame more range time! It is also one of the most pleasurable loads a shooter can touch off. Hodgdons Clays, International, Universal and HP38 are good choices. Were all familiar with the old adage, Never bring a knife to a gunfight. And while we should, The active shooter is a relatively new phenomenon in the grand scheme of things. My Hornady book says for 158 gr L-SWC, Unique powder, CCI magnum primer the minimum listed (not sure if that's absolute minimum) is 4.3 and maximum is 4.7. I keep it under my seat in case I get an unwanted intruder and I cant get to my IWB semi auto. )Lastly, the .38 SPL has a very large following and materials can be had readily. Using a new 105g bullet and no one has load data for itor do they You have entered an incorrect email address! 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! My J frame S&Ws are all older models, and came with the small grips that are still on some models. I shoot almost exclusively cast lead from my handguns. Shooter's Reference Load Data for .38 Special I've tried 2.8, 3.0, and 3.2. In my time spent with the .38, I have come to greatly appreciate it for what it is and does. Something like the Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 yup, theyre the best caliber for those size revolvers. I have one that has been loaded about sixty times and it is still in use today. Josh Wayner is a Michigan native, active competitor, Grand Valley State University alumni, troublemaker, and fiction author. The .38 Special is the most popular of all centerfire revolver cartridges. May 15, 2012. kc2za said: Hi All, I have been loading .38 spl with 2.7 gr. .38 Special Load Data - PowderThrough.com Thinking of using it in NRA Action pistol or PPC. 125: 125: 130: 135: 140: 140: 146: 148: 158: 158: 158: 170 _____ Quick Links Home Load Data Bullet Points: BE SURE TO CHECK OUT & FOLLOW MY INSTAGRAM FEED CONNECT WITH THE 1895GUNNER.COM COMMUNITY . Honestly, plated bullets won't give you the level of accuracy needed for bullseye competition, even at 25 yards. Bonus is that dont need magnum Primers for these reloads. No more lead in the barrel or on my hands. Handload: 158 grain round nose lead /3.8 grains Bullseye MV 775 fps ME 210 ft./lbs. 4.) Your email address will not be published. Word to the wise: all handgun cartridges (with the likely exception of .44 Magnum and maybe even .357 Magnum) are underpowered for self-defense. I routinely use only two powders: Trail Boss and Titegroup. I found the plated wadcutters to have NO accuracy. It also shows that the loads were established using a 6" barrel, so regardless of what any published data shows, the chances of ever finding published data for the exact projectile and barrel length you are using, as well as the exact conditions you will be shooting in, would be nearly impossible. was a breeze. Bullseye and NRA Distinguished Revolver Ive been shooting them for 50 years. Good thing I didn't go with the original powder charge I intended to use. As a result, Ive been able to spend far more time practicing with it rather than fussing with it. Super-Accurate .38 Super Loads - Shooting Times The plated bullets feed nicely through my bullet feeder. Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue. Forget about it. : 1.475" Powder: 6.0 gr 6.9 gr Vel. Load shot well out of a variety of service handguns. Ive long since changed to a press, but that Lee Loader in its cardboard box is still in a storage box for obsolescent reloading gear. Start conservative if you wish. Some people then claimed SAAMI raised the 357 Mag to 45,000. I agree with your .38 Special assessment points for the very same reasons. The cases are large enough that they can be easily manipulated by inexperienced hands and yet small enough to not require much force in the sizing stage. My M60 came w/ factory banana grips- open back, long enough for pinkie rest but too small in girth behind the trigger guard. Good job on you! The load you use will be up to your gun. Also some WSF. If you have a lightweight .38 or older gun, you may want to start with 10% less than max amounts listed above, and work up to the full loads. (For those who would. I load rounds for my wife to shoot @ Win 231 4.0 to 4.3 gr. Reloading The .38 Special - Reload Ammo . Thank you. Hornady also has load data for the 110-grain .357 XTP for the lower-pressure .38 Automatic. They are low because of swaged bullets. Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion. Classics go well together: circa 1909 S&W .38 Special and traditional 148-grain wadcutter load of 2.7 grains of Bullseye. Im not a hoarder and I dont keep them, but I am detailed in my process. A circa 1918 Colt gobbled them up, as did several other 1911s that can be particular about bullet profile. 38 Special +P 18,500 I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. Alliant Pistol/Revolver Load Data: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. Magnum 44 S&W Special 45 Colt 45 Auto 45 G.A.P 9mm Luger 9x18mm Makarov 32 S&W Long (Cowboy Action) 32-20 Win. That's usually +P power level in .38 Special. When you could leave city limits and just about every dirt mound in sight, was a plinking range. Despite being well over one hundred years old, it still has perfect relevance for todays shooters, both novice and advanced. Based on this Id load some at 3.3 and 3.5 and see what you get, but Id never exceed 3.8 ever. I have 4 handguns that will shoot .38. 4.2 gr. This gun now wears factory synthetic grips which are decent but could use more girth behind the trigger guard. 5.) My son asked if I wanted him to help, then fired one shot and handed it back. Most double end wad cutters are 148 grain, and DR bullets must be 158 grain. Depends on what kind of load you're after. (Same issue found with a 12 oz. The majority of my shooting with .38 has taken place with soft lead bullets. I don't know what bullets you have, but Berry's recommends per their website to use hard cast data for their plated bullets. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Really important to have a chrono if you're going to work up loads When I first bought my chrono, I was amazed at how HOT my loads were - unnecessarily. This represents a great start, and if thats all you do, youll still be far better off than the majority of the population. WST for .38 special 125 gr plated bullets, Re: WST for .38 special 125 gr plated bullets. Also compared a S&W 638 to the S&W 36. Your email address will not be published. A .38 Special mystery---what is the reason for this load? These two can cover the entire performance spectrum up to .38+P. Wife handled it with no problem, those 5 Super Vel had been in the gun probably over 5 years by then, she bought it to CARRY, not to shoot, if she needed to fire it to save her life it would be fine. I went to the grocery store to buy a loath of bread.. Recoil in that gun is less than most 45 ACP 1911s I have shot, and its still got around 500-600ft lbs of energy which is more than enough for feral hogs around the ranch back home. Any hotter and we get into a recoil issue. Dec 18, 2011. Just depends on what kinds of loads you plan to shoot. .38 Special +P (Alliant Reloaders Guide) Warning! IT'S A COMBINATION TAPER AND ROLL CRIMP. You will be, essentially, making 38 Short Colt. I first started reloading 40+ years ago at a Lee Loader in .38 Special for a brand new Smith & Wesson Model 66 I had just purchased. Ive been loading 158gr FMJ with Titegroup and the only problem Ive had is getting the seating depth right after the die locknut slipped. Winchester's 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. I SEE THAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT USE THE AMMO FOR D/R. Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. Going up to 3.9 Gr for +P. A light target load, which tends to be very accurate, is about 3.1 grains, with a 158 grain bullet. is so simple. I go with the cheap and easy shake and bake technique that requires only plastic Glad container with a lid, handful of black 6mm BBs and old toaster owen. 7, No. Bullseye is primarily associated with .38 and .45after all, it says right on the bottle: Great for .38 Special and .45 Auto target loads. But it is equally at home in high-velocity auto loads. While I do have a GP100 in .357 magnum, I dont like shooting .38 special ammo out of it, because cleaning powder residue out of the longer chambers is a real bitch. You may find it will need to be faster for good 50 yd. Good shootin! JHP (now discontinued) 5 rounds . A 4 inch barrel would be my choice as well. : 13,300 16,800 Starting Powder: 6.0 gr Starting Velocity: 1,266 for 38 special Bullseye is the classic pistol powder and the backbone of many pet loads. I carry my M642 extensively, but I only shoot it occasionally because it is a snappy little b!tch with standard loads. I never enjoyed touching off a 357 Mag in a K frame, and I cannot imagine the discomfort of firing it in anything smaller or lighter. are you loading .38 special brass, or .357 magnum brass? Titegroup and 125gr 38 Special Load Data Between that, some other info on other forums, Winchester's data for a lead flat point, and numbers from loaddata.com, I think I have some to start with. Yeah, my wifes last gun, with +P it actually HURTS! Ive done the majority of shooting in .38 Special in my Smith & Wesson 642. Did you cross post the bullet weight? load is 4.4 grains for 38 special and 5.0 grains is a +P load. Eventually somebody introduced me to tungsten carbide resizing dies, after which case life became near indefinite. .38 Special: What Ive Learned After 20,000 Rounds, Stacey Abrams Whopper: No one believes in eroding the Second Amendment, Scottsdale Home Owner Uses Shotgun to Stop Naked Home Invader Caught in His Childs Room [VIDEO], Liberty Ammunitions Innovative Personal Defense Rounds are Lighter, Go Faster, and Hit Harder. I find the Pachmayr Compac grips on my 640 reduce the slap of full-boat .357 to less than that on my 3 M65 (w/ wood Altamont grips) or my 4 686 (Pachmayr Gripper Professional grips.) Shot placement is just as important if not more. with #2 Lyman duplicate. I used to reload .38s and .357s with 158 grain LSWC bullets over 4.3 and 6.5 grains of Unique. Use the lead bullet loads with the plated and you will be fine. I just dont like practicing with it. I only wish the brass was more available locally. SWC, 160 gr. I completely understand the respect for the performance of the 327 Fed, but not being a big fan of the 357 Mag (or 38 SPL plus P for that matter) I havent been drawn to the 327. It seems to burn completely in the .38 and is not as critical as the faster powders like Bullseye. Your link has been automatically embedded. 158 gr. The upside of the grainage is that the small charges mean more loaded rounds per pound of powderhelpful since Bullseye can take a while to reacquire once the container is empty.
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